Comments on: Focus 10- Exploration of sleep http://davidtopi.com/en/focus-10-exploration-of-sleep/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss A personal quest for spiritual development Mon, 01 Mar 2010 09:54:20 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Javier http://davidtopi.com/en/focus-10-exploration-of-sleep/#comment-59 Javier Thu, 22 Oct 2009 18:37:53 +0000 http://davidtopi.com/en/focus-10-exploration-of-sleep/#comment-59 Muchas gracias por las explicaciones! En efecto, tras leer las instrucciones ahora veo más claro que se trata simplente de imaginar. Nos das esperanza, empezábamos a perderla :) Gracias de nuevo, esperamos que nos hagas un retorno sobre tu OBE. Javier Muchas gracias por las explicaciones! En efecto, tras leer las instrucciones ahora veo más claro que se trata simplente de imaginar.

Nos das esperanza, empezábamos a perderla :)

Gracias de nuevo, esperamos que nos hagas un retorno sobre tu OBE.

Javier

]]> By: David Topi http://davidtopi.com/en/focus-10-exploration-of-sleep/#comment-57 David Topi Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:33:52 +0000 http://davidtopi.com/en/focus-10-exploration-of-sleep/#comment-57 Hola Javier! well, Exploration of Sleep is not supposed to induce OBEs, that is still too soon. I did not get the OBE experience, but a projection of myself, meaning, I imagined myself, visualised and let my mind set the scene from an external point of view, but I remained conscious on my body knowing that it was not an OBE at all. In order to get to experience the first OBE stages, you need to reach at least Wave III Freedom, where I am starting right now, there is a set of exercises there that may help, but first you need to complete all the steps in Focus 12 to get used to it. Just go ahead! bit by bit, and you will get it! I am sure! I will share also my results as soon as I move forward with the new exercises! regards Hola Javier!
well, Exploration of Sleep is not supposed to induce OBEs, that is still too soon. I did not get the OBE experience, but a projection of myself, meaning, I imagined myself, visualised and let my mind set the scene from an external point of view, but I remained conscious on my body knowing that it was not an OBE at all.
In order to get to experience the first OBE stages, you need to reach at least Wave III Freedom, where I am starting right now, there is a set of exercises there that may help, but first you need to complete all the steps in Focus 12 to get used to it.
Just go ahead! bit by bit, and you will get it! I am sure! I will share also my results as soon as I move forward with the new exercises!

regards

]]> By: Javier http://davidtopi.com/en/focus-10-exploration-of-sleep/#comment-56 Javier Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:19:57 +0000 http://davidtopi.com/en/focus-10-exploration-of-sleep/#comment-56 Hi David! First of all, thanks for sharing your experiences with TMI CDs, it is of a great help for people like me wanting to know what to expect on each CD. We, my girlfriend and me, are trying the “exploration of sleep” CD and we are having troubles to get an OBE. We are trying since several weeks already, at a frequency of between 2 and 4 times a week. In my case, I find it difficult to stay in focus 10 since when I get deeply relaxed I see changing shapes of changing colors, as if I were dazzled and the light stayed in my retina. It is hard for me to ignore them and sometimes I am tempted to stare at them, so consciously moving my eyes. Sometimes I see rings of different colors, one inside another as if I were moving forward in a tunnel. I remember that it happened to me when I was a child and at that time I was afraid of an eyes problem, but it stopped and it has started again now that I meditate (I guess that maybe I usually felt asleep before being aware of this happening and I realize due to meditation). But this is not the only blocking problem since my girlfriend does not experience this phenomena and she does not get an OBE neither. I guess for you next article that you finally succeeded in OBE. How did you success? Do you try to empty your mind? And what do you look at? When Robert Monroe says to roll over like a log floating in water, I try to imagine myself like a chicken in an oven, turning on myself and having the central axis from my head up to my feet (we do it staying on bed). Is it OK? And when he says to detach I try to imagine that my whole body is still laying but going upward. At this moment, my eyelids start flickering very fast and sometimes I see my room... What are we supposed to do? My girlfriend does not fear to get out of her body since she already experienced one a day she fainted. I personally felt fully identified with you when I read the fears you explained in your article. I think I overcame them with the CD “release and recharge” since I do not experience since them any more the anxiety of finding myself out when Robert Monroe says the words “detach easily”. Do you have any other advise? By the way, do you know if there is some explanation for this color shapes? Thanks in advance! Javier Hi David!

First of all, thanks for sharing your experiences with TMI CDs, it is of a great help for people like me wanting to know what to expect on each CD.

We, my girlfriend and me, are trying the “exploration of sleep” CD and we are having troubles to get an OBE. We are trying since several weeks already, at a frequency of between 2 and 4 times a week.

In my case, I find it difficult to stay in focus 10 since when I get deeply relaxed I see changing shapes of changing colors, as if I were dazzled and the light stayed in my retina. It is hard for me to ignore them and sometimes I am tempted to stare at them, so consciously moving my eyes. Sometimes I see rings of different colors, one inside another as if I were moving forward in a tunnel. I remember that it happened to me when I was a child and at that time I was afraid of an eyes problem, but it stopped and it has started again now that I meditate (I guess that maybe I usually felt asleep before being aware of this happening and I realize due to meditation).

But this is not the only blocking problem since my girlfriend does not experience this phenomena and she does not get an OBE neither.

I guess for you next article that you finally succeeded in OBE. How did you success? Do you try to empty your mind? And what do you look at?

When Robert Monroe says to roll over like a log floating in water, I try to imagine myself like a chicken in an oven, turning on myself and having the central axis from my head up to my feet (we do it staying on bed). Is it OK?

And when he says to detach I try to imagine that my whole body is still laying but going upward. At this moment, my eyelids start flickering very fast and sometimes I see my room… What are we supposed to do?

My girlfriend does not fear to get out of her body since she already experienced one a day she fainted. I personally felt fully identified with you when I read the fears you explained in your article. I think I overcame them with the CD “release and recharge” since I do not experience since them any more the anxiety of finding myself out when Robert Monroe says the words “detach easily”.

Do you have any other advise? By the way, do you know if there is some explanation for this color shapes?

Thanks in advance!

Javier

]]> By: David Topi http://davidtopi.com/en/focus-10-exploration-of-sleep/#comment-48 David Topi Tue, 06 Oct 2009 06:31:03 +0000 http://davidtopi.com/en/focus-10-exploration-of-sleep/#comment-48 Hi Horacio, just pretend it is there. Really. If you have trouble visualizing or feeling the ballon, pretend the energy is there, around you. Just command the energy from your aura or from within you to create a shield around you and even if you do not notice it, the ballon will be created. Then it is just a matter of practice and time till you notice it more and more, I kind of feel something around me so I know it is there, and I simply imaging myself being surrounded by this energy, nothing more! regards David Hi Horacio, just pretend it is there. Really. If you have trouble visualizing or feeling the ballon, pretend the energy is there, around you. Just command the energy from your aura or from within you to create a shield around you and even if you do not notice it, the ballon will be created.
Then it is just a matter of practice and time till you notice it more and more, I kind of feel something around me so I know it is there, and I simply imaging myself being surrounded by this energy, nothing more!

regards
David

]]> By: Horacio http://davidtopi.com/en/focus-10-exploration-of-sleep/#comment-47 Horacio Mon, 05 Oct 2009 21:13:02 +0000 http://davidtopi.com/en/focus-10-exploration-of-sleep/#comment-47 Hi there! I've been trying Mr Monroes' tapes for a while, but I'm having great difficulty pulling out the energy baloon, do you have any advice on that to give to me? Do you feel the baloon during your day when you prepare it in the morning? Great blog, I'll look forward to creating one of mine myself ;) Horacio. Hi there! I’ve been trying Mr Monroes’ tapes for a while, but I’m having great difficulty pulling out the energy baloon, do you have any advice on that to give to me? Do you feel the baloon during your day when you prepare it in the morning?

Great blog, I’ll look forward to creating one of mine myself ;)

Horacio.

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